Nest thermostat fiasco

Google says they're shutting off version 1 and 2 stats access to the apps today. My two still work but it's early. Anyone else pissed about this?

planned obsolescence. It should be illegal.

Exactly, cherry. They also want to stop operating the server that supports these, but they will keep allowing later models to operate. They got caught with microphones in the thermostats, so I assume they spy on me and my tenant to support advertising. They got sued for the microphones, but I am pretty sure the newer (supported) thermostats have some improved means of spying.

They wanted to sell me a new version for $150. No thanks, they lost me forever. I bought an Ecobee yesterday and the moment they shut me off it goes in. If the class action suit causes them to hold off the shutdown, I can always return the ecobee.

I’ve got the old round style I picked up at a garage sale.
Switch to flip to heat or air and slider to set temp.
No microphones or cameras just a little glass vial with some mercury in
We’re way to dependent on electronics, things use to so simpler

Bells and whistles , marketing knows there is a market

Nest is so overrated. Use a digital stat. Dont need to be programmable.

I have never had the need to contact my HVAC system from outside of my house. I run a heating program and run the A/C manually from the wall mounted T-stat. I certainly wouldn't supply Nest type of equipment to my tenant properties. They get the cheap stuff like ef52001 described. I think Alexa, Ring, Nest, etc. certainly spy / collect information.

Wait until the car companies start turning off features in your vehicles in the upcoming years. They will get you to buy a new car again and again. Planned obsolesces at $75K a pop.

On the same subject of obsolescence...

Windows 10 officially reached its end of support on October 14, 2025. That means:

No more free security updates, bug fixes, or technical support from Microsoft.

Your PC will still work, but it’s now more vulnerable to security threats.

Microsoft offers an Extended Security Updates (ESU) program for users who want to stay on Windows 10 a bit longer—this comes at a cost and is available for up to three more years.

If your device meets the requirements, upgrading to Windows 11 is free. If not, Microsoft recommends either enrolling in ESU or replacing the device.

Doc... I heard Windows 11 is the king of all spyware. It may have be just a bunch of tech fearing posters... or is it real? It seems to me tech is being designed to get in your life and your wallet.

My mother and I were having a Trump conversation at her kitchen table today. Her watch went ding... and then dinged again. She looked at the watch and it was a Facebook message. A 100% anti Trump rant. She is 85+.... no Facebook account ever. Never received a Facebook message in the past. Explain that one. How did her watch know what we were talking about?

Yep....little by little we are being tagged, counted, and herded into the corral...

To those who say I should keep it simple, I say this. I have seven rentals, between NT and Connecticut. They provide me with an income stream. Without the "convenience" of remote control via the internet I couldn't do this.

I can control the locks, heat, see the properties by cameras (outside) and switch between A/C and heat when I need to. I get timely reminders to change filters and a network of vendors I trust to enter and do work when I unlock from anywhere.

We also have a vacation house two hours away and leave the heat at 62 normally. When we go up to the mountains, I turn it to 74 a few hours before we depart. No such thing as forgetting to lower the thermostat any more, either.

Yeah I don't like control by big companies either and I have pulled certain fuses on my car so they can't tell my insurance company how I drive. But the control given me by these remote thermostats is more than a convenience now, it's a necessity for me.

That said, her it is 5:36 NY time on the 25th and my apps still work. My tools and new thermostat are still sitting in the living room waiting for Nest to shut me off.

That is as contradictory as it comes

Such is the danger of allowing any company to render a device you paid for, to become deliberately obsolete. Also a danger is a government which allows this.

How far are we from the WEF's goal of "You will own nothing and be happy"?

I've incorporated numerous devices into my home automation but the very first thing I do, is flash the firmware to a firmware I own and have backup copies.

This prevents the company from using my data for their purpose and profit and assures they cannot make my devices obsolete.

Think about all those 'kill switches' hidden in your Chinese EVs.
Total chaos at a flick of Xi's finger.

NEST has serious issues with a lot of their thermostats having connectivity issues to the units, even though that is hard wired.
Meaning, compressor or fan shut off intermittently or will not start at all, and a bunch of other wonky issues especially on heat pumps or high efficiency systems.
Thousands if not millions of these things needed to be replaced with a standard thermostat.
Honeywell and several high quality residential thermostats have program and Wi-Fi capabilities.
Google and all these Johnny come lately companies getting into HVAC are software companies NOT HVAC COMPANIES.

I live in an old home - 1937 2-story / half basement. My heating system is a natural gas boiler and I have radiators in the rooms. This is the best heating system I have ever experienced. Only thing electronic about it is controller for the igniter, pump and damper.

I have a Nest therm and it operates on a schedule I designate. I typically have the unit set to 66 and 67 degrees respectively. 1 degree might not seem like much but typically it heats up a degree or two beyond (though the therm shuts down the furnace). My heating system keeps my home consistently warm and unless it super cold (or the wife complains she’s freezing) I don’t really ever change the thermostat program or setting. Can’t tell you the last time I physically touched the thermostat as Alexa or my app will change the setting at a moments notice.

Also, if power goes out it doesn’t take much generator energy to fire up the furnace and have heat or even hot water. Water heater is gas tankless so it runs on very little electricity.

That said, I love the convenience of automation but do t think we should be spied on.

Asked ChatGPT about being watched and it responded yes. I asked why and it said control. I asked by whom and it said government.

I asked a lot of questions and the answers were eye opening to say the least.

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