MAGA Types-What are your thoughts on this?

We created NATO to protect allied democracies from wars of conquest. The fundamental understanding of the NATO treaty was that the US was the heavy hitter in the alliance.

Article 5 provides collective security, and it has only been used once. The US invoked it in Afghanistan, and NATO countries sent men and women to fight, some of which did not make it back to their families.

So, my questions for you are:

1. Do you agree with the President when he says NATO has never done anything for the US?

2. How do you justify threats of military conquest of an allied nation's sovereign territory?

3. Keeping in mind that 500 years ago a boat landed on the North American continent to begin European colonization and eventually the USA, how is Denmark's claim to Greenland any different? Especially in light of the 1922 Treaty where we recieved the Virgin Islands from Denmark in exchange for waiving any right to Greenland.

4. When Trump campaigned he promised a few things, no more foreign wars and spending money on Americans not foreign nations. Do you see this potential attack against Denmark as being consistent with the president's campaign promises?

If you repsond, please dont justify cognitive dissonance with "well Joe Biden did...." I am just curious if you have a principled justification for supporting this.

1. No NATO has been there for us.....911
2. I can't justify it
3. Its not....we dont really pay any attention to treaies or agreements.
4.No

Your post is irrelevant because he just told the fucking world he has no plans to take Greenland by force.
Fuck NATO, European countries didn't pay their share and spent their money on woke bullshit because they think the US will protect them.
When they want to get serious about handling things in their neighborhood get back to me.
They have bigger problems than Greenland.

DH.. you obviously don't know sh*t except the sh*t you're fed. if you're not "woke" as you say.. well then you must be asleep.. no?

We have bigger problems than Greenland.. wake up for f*cks sake!

@dh747..... you didn't even respond to any of the 4 points made above lol.

On Trump's Repeated claims regarding NATO Allies haven't paid their fair share (because you only believe what the Liar in Chief Says)......

NATO funding also doesn’t work like a club membership fee. Each country funds its own military. The shared NATO budget is tiny compared to national defense budgets, and all members pay their agreed portion of that. The debate is really about how much each country spends on its own defense, not about unpaid dues.

Trump often frames the issue as if countries owe the U.S. money, which resonates politically but doesn’t match how NATO funding actually works. Allies fund their own militaries; they don’t pay the U.S. or NATO a “share.”

In his second term he ripped NAFTA as a terrible deal, when HE signed it in his first term and praised it as a great deal.

the four things you said are entirely not true, you know that already but being the hater you are you need to repeat it to justify your hate.

1. The president stated that NATO needs the USA to protect itself. He never said that NATO has never done anything for the USA. Using the implamtation of Article 5 after 911 was not tp help the USA. The help was required under that NATO alliance because a NATO member was attacked. All NATO memebrs were obligated to participate in Iraq and Afganistan.

2. Trump never said he was going to use Military conquest of any NATO country. Greenland is not part of NATO, it is an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark. What Trump said was that IF NEEDED he would use the military to help gain control of greenland. In fact today he said the USA would never use military "force" to get control of Greenland. Think about this though.... , it was the other NATO European countries that sent military to greenland, not the USA

3. Denmark nor NATO can protect Greenland from China or Russia. Just like they could not prevent Russia gaining parts of Ukraine. The NATO alliance requires that members maintain and develop their own capacity to resist attack while contributing to the collective security of the entire group. Denmark CANNOT do this with Greenland. Truman also tried to make Greenland part of the USA but after offering 100 million in gold to Denmark in 1946, denmark would not sell. You have to remember that demark could not defend itself against the germans so the USA stepped in and took control of Greenland during world war two. The same thing is true today, Greenland needs the USA as Russia and China are moving into northern Greenland

4. There was never a potential attack against Denmark. That is haters like you saying things that are not true

Please get a life and stop spreading the lies the left haters like you need to spread to justify your hate

As a supporter of Trump, who only won the election because of the complete fools that he ran against, I do NOT support his idea of taking over Greenland by force ! Maybe okay if the people of Greenland and or Denmark, see some advantages of being absorbed by the USA .
That being said, if a Trump clone ran against Kamala, Newsome or AOC, I would do like the Democrats do and vote for the Republican candidate, more than once . I would do it by mail and round up ballots in the hood , to vote early and often !

The leftists are bombarding all the media they can with anti-Trump tirades. They have no expressed proposals. No proposed legislation to deal effectively with the issues we face. No solutions, just oppose Trump and anything he proposes or does.
If they do win enough seats in the mid terms, everyone knows all they will do is impeach Trump again and again, just like they've done in the past.

woodyd46 It's obvious why the left is so anti Trump.
They are up to their neck in fraud and kickbacks stealing taxpayers' money all over the country like
Minnesota so what would they rather do spend time Impeaching Trump or answer for the corruption?

Greenland means nothing to U.S. security when it comes to war with Russia. The Russian submarines off the east coast of the U.S.would launch their nukes and we could not respond in such a small amount of time

@tonyb Because Greenland falls under NATO protection and US is a NATO member, the US would be permitted to have a military presence there to protect its interests.
The whole "US needs Greenland for protection" is B/S and a distraction from the Epstein files.
As they say in the movie Rounders.... "If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then YOU are the sucker.”
MAGA and those who fall for Trump's lies are the suckers and he will bleed you all dry while he charms you with what you want to hear, but not what he is actually doing.

NATO helped in the Middle East ? Well the way I understand it NATO does not protect any countries that are not members of of NATO. I think there COULD be exceptions. But as I remember. We asked members of NATO to help. And I don’t think I’m splitting hairs on this subject. If it could I would think we would be in the Ukrain But I could be wrong about that also Trumps not going to start a war over Greenland But I believe he will worknout a deal to put more military up there You lefties are really worked up about this aren’t you?

LOL , damn

When did anyone in this administration say they were taking Greenland by force. Never.

The best deal maker on the planet makes deals that are good for everyone involved, but they will always be in favor the USA.

Trump is going to do what he thinks is best for the USA. This is why we voted for him. If he believes using Greenland as a military buffer against Russia and China is the best move for the USA, and by extension, NATO, then that is what Trump is going to do.

Trump wrote a book called the art of the deal. He has already laid out the steps he will use to get the best deal he can get. If you read the book, then watch what he does, you will understand the game plan and be able to watch it unfold. If you have not read the book and decide you are an expert of foreign affairs, you will run around clutching your pearls and crying about the big bad Trump.

If you want to know if this is a good idea? Watch the TDS lefties on this board. If they think it is a bad idea, then you know it will be great for the free world.

If you want to know if it is going to happen? Read the book, then read the room. This deal is already done. The decision is already made. All that is left to do at this point is to discuss the details.

Mistaflyer52, based on your coherent writing and proper use of punctuation and your ability to form a sentence, I presume you should be able to interpret Trump saying the US will take Greenland the easy way or “the hard way”.
Unless Trump meant he would be sporting an erection, it’s very obvious that he was threatening force.

Are there ANY MAGAs at all who can admit Trump’s errors and provide SOME criticism of him? The mental gymnastics to defend everything he does is absolutely astonishing.

NATO is outdated and irrelevant. However the US is still the heavy hitter. Last time I checked, the heavy hitters make the rules

Beggin, Can you name some of the many, many successes that Trump has had during his first year of his second term?

Can't you just feel the excitement of 3 more years of having DJT as your Commander in Chief?

Patechie, off the top of my head, I really can’t think of much. He has gotten other members of NATO to increase their military commitments. Aside from that, he’s just been bumbling and stumbling.
During his first term, Operation Warpspeed was great, the way he contributed to the acceleration of a Covid vaccine….. he might have won a Nobel Peace Prize for that, had he not suddenly distanced himself away from it to appease the anti vaxxers.
His tenures have otherwise been the stuff of slapstick comedy.

There, I gave you two.

Porn site rules say you can claim an Island if you put your right foot in, you take your right foot out, you put your right foot in and you shake it all about, then you turn yourself around, the Island is now all yours!

Oh, wait, that is the Hokey Pokey, well, still a valid reason, I mean it is just a porn site, not like this is the Brookings Institute. LOL

rogr, just wondering on what basis you can state "The Russian submarines off the east coast of the U.S.would launch their nukes and we could not respond in such a small amount of time." Are you intimately familiar with the US Nuclear Weapons response policies and procedures?

More misinformation than msmbc

Rgor@1:44 the Russia submarines off the east coast. You’re an ignorant dumbass if you don’t think we know where every hostile and non hostile subs are on and around the US coastline. As a former navy guy and although I did not serve in the submarine force I can tell you we know every fucking thing that is happening around us either above or below the service. The US Navy is heads and tails above anyone else when it comes to finding and killing subs

Only morons believe what is being said in the press.
It turns out they even lied about George Floyd,

Derek Chauvin became "European-American" in Wikipedia. That presumably includes the Tatars of Crimeia and the Circassians as well as those from Chechnya.

What do the Left actually want? What's their stance on NATO?
It's beyond doubt that many countries in NATO do not pull their weight or contribute in a way which is proportionate to the potential benefits they'd reap from membership.
What is wrong with Trump pointing that out?

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